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Martin
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Jul 2011 :  09:52:14  Show Profile  Visit Martin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Its only been in the last 5 or 6 years that Fiat have seriously promoted Total Quality Management, not that they have lacked quality controls, but I mean a constant and consistent pressure across the entire design and build programme.
For Fiat it was the Fiat 500 project... and the realisation that once the investment and mindset is made, the rest can come at 'habitually low cost'... while making big progress in build and customer reaction. It hasn't spread to the dealers. The recent troubles in the Mexican factory building the 500 for the States market and most of the delays came from attitude/ quality problems in just this area.
Meanwhile the last decade has seen Mercedes and BMW trying to cost cut..... I know of two members who were seriously thinking of depositing their Merc Coupes outside the Mercedes Head Office at Brooklands. In their case, the move from galvanisation to modern paint treatments has left the cars looking more like seventies Fiats etc. These are cars like many in Britain that are not regularly garaged.
This happens a lot in the club, the car projects occupy garage space..... everything else stays outside!

Something else that can get lost in the verbage, the USA spec 500 is a re-engineered car (with more than 1000 changes). For the most part they are all positive changes, I listed them here....
http://www.sportingfiatsclub.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4533
Some of these changes have been taken up in the 2010 500C and then 2011 500.

Basic US price of about $16,000... your quoted Abarth prices are more than eye-watering!

Martin
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robincapper
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New Zealand
266 Posts

Posted - 18 Dec 2011 :  09:02:20  Show Profile  Visit robincapper's Homepage  Click to see robincapper's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
140,000km service due, done ready for another year of 5 cylinder warble!

http://rcd.typepad.com/personal/2011/12/traffic-light-thought-time-for-a-service.html

Regards,
Robin Capper
Now: Bravo HGT, Punto 75ELX ~ Previous 127 (903), 128 (1300), Uno 45s ~ Driven not owned 132 (1600), 850 Coupe
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robincapper
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New Zealand
266 Posts

Posted - 22 Apr 2012 :  12:14:34  Show Profile  Visit robincapper's Homepage  Click to see robincapper's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Meh, noticed some clear coat failure on the rear fender bulge. Hoped the (lighter) grey colour of my Bravo would avoid it but the New Zealand sun/UV gives car paint a hard time. Not just a Fiat thing. :(

Regards,
Robin Capper
Now: Bravo HGT, Punto 75ELX ~ Previous 127 (903), 128 (1300), Uno 45s ~ Driven not owned 132 (1600), 850 Coupe
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anonymous1
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Posted - 22 Apr 2012 :  15:16:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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robincapper
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New Zealand
266 Posts

Posted - 28 Jun 2012 :  10:28:30  Show Profile  Visit robincapper's Homepage  Click to see robincapper's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Ready to warble to the redline thanks to a nice new cambelt. Was time rather than km's which prompted this. Seem to remember when I purchased the car (which previous owner had just the belt done) that 4 or 5 years was a long time off!

Regards,
Robin Capper
Now: Bravo HGT, Punto 75ELX ~ Previous 127 (903), 128 (1300), Uno 45s ~ Driven not owned 132 (1600), 850 Coupe
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robincapper
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New Zealand
266 Posts

Posted - 13 Dec 2012 :  12:05:34  Show Profile  Visit robincapper's Homepage  Click to see robincapper's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
H'mm, WOF (road worthiness) fail due to leaky right rear shock. Nice surprise was how affordable they are (nz$180ea) so did both sides. The tight 270 motorway offramp at Lincoln Rd seemed to go better after that (within the current speed limit of course).

Regards,
Robin Capper
Now: Bravo HGT, Punto 75ELX ~ Previous 127 (903), 128 (1300), Uno 45s ~ Driven not owned 132 (1600), 850 Coupe
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robincapper
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New Zealand
266 Posts

Posted - 07 Mar 2013 :  07:10:56  Show Profile  Visit robincapper's Homepage  Click to see robincapper's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Some good & bad news. Appears my paint failure is not the factory stuff but a not very good localised clear coat repair. It looks like there was no structural damage (filler under or creases) so perhaps a fix for keying type scrape.

Being redone now along with a general tidy up to bring up to (not) scratch!

Regards,
Robin Capper
Now: Bravo HGT, Punto 75ELX ~ Previous 127 (903), 128 (1300), Uno 45s ~ Driven not owned 132 (1600), 850 Coupe
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robincapper
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New Zealand
266 Posts

Posted - 07 Apr 2013 :  09:30:01  Show Profile  Visit robincapper's Homepage  Click to see robincapper's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
The Bravo is back, the trouble rear guard clearcoat has been fixed. Part of that was near the pinstripe so they removed the rest rather than trying to redo it. I was happy with that as never really liked it but never got around to removing it.

Not the best photos, iPhone in the work carpark, but the car looks a lot better now.

[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/robinzblog/8575723533/][/url]
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/robinzblog/8575723533/]Untitled[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/robinzblog/]RobiNZ[/url], on Flickr

[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/robinzblog/8576822252/][/url]
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/robinzblog/8576822252/]Fiat Bravo HGT[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/robinzblog/]RobiNZ[/url], on Flickr

Regards,
Robin Capper
Now: Bravo HGT, Punto 75ELX ~ Previous 127 (903), 128 (1300), Uno 45s ~ Driven not owned 132 (1600), 850 Coupe

Edited by - robincapper on 07 Apr 2013 09:33:25
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TH130
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61 Posts

Posted - 08 Jun 2013 :  10:45:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks nice Robin. My partner has same car but in dark blue here in NZ also.
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robincapper
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New Zealand
266 Posts

Posted - 02 Jul 2013 :  09:44:57  Show Profile  Visit robincapper's Homepage  Click to see robincapper's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Oh, cool, there weren't ever many in NZ, even fewer still on the road!

quote:
Originally posted by TH130

Looks nice Robin. My partner has same car but in dark blue here in NZ also.


Regards,
Robin Capper
Now: Bravo HGT, Punto 75ELX ~ Previous 127 (903), 128 (1300), Uno 45s ~ Driven not owned 132 (1600), 850 Coupe
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robincapper
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New Zealand
266 Posts

Posted - 22 Jan 2016 :  09:52:04  Show Profile  Visit robincapper's Homepage  Click to see robincapper's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Been a while since I was here. the Bravo is still going strong, had a bit of a major while back when the gasket that seals the end casting to the block failed, leaking oil. Discovered it almost immediately, no damage, and car was about due for cambelt so did that at same time.

Other than that, and mysterious intermittent engine light finally tracked down throttle and air flow sensors (cheap to replace) its been all fun.

Regards,
Robin Capper
Now: Bravo HGT, Punto 75ELX ~ Previous 127 (903), 128 (1300), Uno 45s ~ Driven not owned 132 (1600), 850 Coupe
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Martin
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United Kingdom
7829 Posts

Posted - 01 Feb 2016 :  18:20:00  Show Profile  Visit Martin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes seals around the clutch and gearbox appear to be weaker on these models (they give leakage trouble about 20k to 40k before the engine seals for instance.)

We are also in the era before the Marchionne/ Fiat 500, when Fiat stopped using local loom and switchgear suppliers (and sourced parts from Taiwan and the best in the world).

Still looks very neat and just the right stance.... on springs and shock absorbers.

Well done Robin and Happy New Year...

Martin
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robincapper
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New Zealand
266 Posts

Posted - 19 Aug 2016 :  21:41:03  Show Profile  Visit robincapper's Homepage  Click to see robincapper's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Back again, is Audi grey acceptable for Fiat Bravo wheels? They were looking a bit tired so a refurb was in order, chose a darker colour to get away from that brake dust mess between washes and modernise a bit. Made quite a change to the appearance but now considering a respray to tidy up stone chips and some carpark door dings. 215,000km, about to add a couple of thousand more next week as doing a road trip around North Island NZ

https://www.flickr.com/photos/48816143@N00/27149985424/

Regards,
Robin Capper
Now: Bravo HGT, Punto 75ELX ~ Previous 127 (903), 128 (1300), Uno 45s ~ Driven not owned 132 (1600), 850 Coupe

Edited by - robincapper on 19 Aug 2016 21:43:50
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robincapper
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New Zealand
266 Posts

Posted - 23 Dec 2017 :  09:33:11  Show Profile  Visit robincapper's Homepage  Click to see robincapper's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
So, a new handbrake cable, a couple of Michelin Pilot Sport tyres and the Bravo, now up to 237,000 km, with a new Warrant of Fitness means all set for another year.

Some shots from a road trip here http://rcd.typepad.com/personal/2016/08/bravo-east-cape.html

Regards,
Robin Capper
Now: Bravo HGT, Punto 75ELX ~ Previous 127 (903), 128 (1300), Uno 45s ~ Driven not owned 132 (1600), 850 Coupe

Edited by - robincapper on 23 Dec 2017 09:33:54
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Martin
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United Kingdom
7829 Posts

Posted - 04 Feb 2018 :  15:00:49  Show Profile  Visit Martin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
So much going on that I've neglected my own list of 4 wheeled projects - so its good to hear some of Fiat's finest making it through another year - the nearest I have to MoT is the Seicento.... and in that one I'm completing a new ram air design, re building a heater and cabin ducting system, and then it goes to rolling road - I'll post all this lot in its own project area when complete.
Next up is a couple of Uno Turbos - one I've owned for about 20 years....

From your pics all looks good on your Bravo....

And Happy New Year too!

Martin
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